Quel bas de ligne pour tourner une crease fly par fort vent ?
Cette question me tarabuste depuis quelques semaines. Suite à une semaine de pêche lancer et mouche au bar, dans le golfe du morbilhan, j’ai été confronté à l’équation suivante :
fort vent + soie WF9F + canne 8/9 + crease fly = j’ai principalement pêché au lancer de leurres de surface (sammy)
Depuis, je me suis équipé d’une canne en soie de 10 (JMC triumph SPM #10), d’un moulinet SCIERRA XDP 10/11 et d’une soie mainstream de Rio, WF10F (en cours de livraison, je les attends).
Je cherche dans la e-littérature qurelques idées de bas de ligne aptes à tourner une crease fly ou un poppers, par vent fort. J’ai d’abord essayé depuis 2 ans sur ma soie de 8/9 une tresse de nylon inspirée du noeud de double ligne de pêche au gros appris de mon cher Joël LEGUEN, master-pêcheur au gros de la Réunion -Réunion Fishing Club. La limite étant la longueur possible : quelques dizaines de cm, après, la tresse devenant impossible à réaliser. Comment faire un “butt tippett” de 1,5 m environ ?
… J’ai trouvé quelque chose d’intéressant, d’une pointure de la côte pacifique dans le sud des USA : Captain Grant Hartman. Je ne l’ai pas encore testé, mais le ferai au plus tôt, et vous tiendrai au courant.

Je pense le fiabiliser -?- en le consolidant je pense d’une goutte de softex juste pour solidariser les spires entre elles. J’ai peur qu’elles glissent, bien que les premiers tests à la maison – in vitro- me laissent penser que ça à l’air de tenir. Le bout de la boucle de soie pose aussi un petit problème en se mettant un peu à angle presque droit sous la pression des spires, après avoir repoussé les spires du noeud au maximum. Je pense résoudre ça en le couvrant d’un petit morceau d’une gaine silicone transparente
Extrait de l’article à lire intégralement sur http://www.flyfishinsalt.com/techniques/basics-and-rigging-tips/alternative-connections-54764.html :
“Capt. Grant Hartman (www.baja-anglers.com)
is one of the world’s foremost authorities on fly-fishing for
roosterfish, striped marlin and Pacific yellowtail. He gets plenty of
practice, making his home at the intersection of the Sea of Cortez and
the Pacific Ocean at Cabo San Lucas.
Over the years Hartman
has tried all the different methods of connecting leader butts to fly
lines: nail knots, whipped loops, braided loops — you name it, he’s
tried it — and broken it. One particularly tricky application is with
monocore fly lines, which are notorious for parting under pressure when
nail knots aren’t seated properly.
Hartman’s solution is an
interesting one. There are few stronger knots than an Albright Special,
named after the late, legendary Keys guide. It is one of the strongest,
most basic line-to-line connections available. Its only drawback is
that when tied in the traditional manner (with a single standing strand
of monofilament, and trimming that tag end after completion), the knot
doesn’t taper very well and consistently hangs in the guides.
But
after several years of experimenting, Hartman found a method of tying
that allows the knot to taper and makes for a stiffer, furled butt
section which turns bulky flies over better. Bear in mind that this
method works well for a loop-to-loop system that allows anglers to
quickly change between pre-rigged tippets, and not so much for knotted,
tapered leaders.”
“Traduction” en gros :
Après avoir testé … et cassé tous les noeuds, Grant Harmanà inventé ce très bon système à partir du Albright Special, un talon apte à tourner une grosse mouche, et sur lequel vient se connecter en boucle dans boucle le reste du bas de ligne.

ce montage est parfait. Je l’ai monté avec du ORVIS STRONG en 30 LBS. Pas de souci pour tourner une crease fly.
J’attends vos retours.
Fred
retour d’1 semaine de pêche dans le golfe du morbilhan
péché des bars jusqu’à 59 cm à la mouche
ce bas de ligne n’a pas bronché alors que, pêchant en plein parcs à huitre, je ne pouvais pas leur donner de soie
bas de ligne en orvis strong 20 lbs, pas de casse
Salut,
Je suis peche à la mouche en mer depuis 1 ans, c’est très dur, et je suis content de lire dans ton blog qu’il est possible de faire des bars à la mouche, ca donne du courage.
j’ai aujourd’hui une soie de 8, qui m’a semblé limite pour lancer de grosses mouches sur 4/0, est tu satisfait de ta canne de soie de 10 ?
Est ce que ce n’est pas trop fatiguant ?
J’hesites à prendre une soie de 9 mais j’ai peur qu’il y ai trop peu de différences avec la soie de 8.
As tu un avis sur ce point.
Cordialement,
frogyfrog
Salut Thomas
j’ai fait comme toi au début : soie de 8 … la galère : toujours trop de vent en mer, sauf quand il viens dans ton dos
Depuis que j’ai une soie de 10, ça va nettement mieux !
Persévère, change de canne, et ça le fera !
N’hésite pas à stripper très violemment ton streamer ou ton popper, ta crease fly …, c’est souvent l’élément déclencheur.
Pour accélérer tes premiers poissons : pêche avec 2 cannes, en “switch and fly” : un lancer spécial bar avec une tresse et un sammy au bout (éventuellement désarmé) pour repérer, teaser, et attirer le poisson à distance de streamer. Quand le ou les bars sont sur le sammy, ramène le suffisamment violemment au bord pour ne pas qu’il soit attrappé et que le ppiège soit démasqué, et baisse-toi quand il arrive au bord. Arrivé à 3 m du bord, ferre d’un coup sec pour le projeter vers toi, saisis promptement ta canne à mouche et remplace le sammy par ton streamer. ça marche bien et c’est marrant ! Ta canne à mouche doit être prête, soie dehors, lovée proprement, sans entrave. J’ai adapté cette technique pratiquée en pêche au gros (switch and bait), avec succès. Facile à pratiquer si la mer est calme (golfe du Morbihan par ex), ou à deux, mais seul à Quiberon ou sur la pointe du Raz …
Tiens-moi au courant de tes succès.
a+
boujour
voila nous somme deux pecheurs passionné par la peche a la mouche et on voudrait etendre notre terrain de jeu et notre technique voila pourquoi on ait interresser par le bar ou le mullet a la mouche
donc on voudrait savoir quelle sont les bonne mouche et le materiel conseillé? merci davance
bonjour, je réside à Mayotte, je cherche un ensemble complet pour soie de 12 pour taquiner les carangues, pourriez vous me conseiller ou me proposer quelque chose à prix raisonnable ??
Merci
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